Zuckerberg trash talks Apple in interview with Joe Rogan

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg thinks that Apple “[hasn’t] he really invented something great at a time “and that was costed out of his past success. “Steve Jobs invented the iPhone and now I’m just a little bit sitting on it 20 years later,” he said this week.

Zuckerberg made the statements during a nearly three-hour podcast with Joe Rogan where, with discussion of Meta moderation policy changes and turn against diversity and inclusion policiesthey got into Meta’s beef with Apple and its policies.

The conversation really started by Rogan problems with Apple. Rogan said he’s moving “from Apple to Android” in part because he “doesn’t like being tied to one company.” Even he is not a fan of Apple’s App Store policies. “The way they do that Apple store, where they charge people 30 percent,” he said. “It seems so senseless that they can get away with doing that.”

“I have some opinions on that,” Zuckerberg said. While he gives credit to the iPhone as “obviously one of the most important inventions probably of all time,” he argued that Apple has put rules in place that “feel arbitrary.”

Zuckerberg said that Apple has “completely taken away the ability for anyone else to build something that can connect to the iPhone in the same way” as Apple products, such as AirPods. If Apple allows others to use its protocol, “there would probably be a lot better competitors to AirPods out there,” Zuckerberg said.

Naturally, there is a business behind Zuckerberg’s complaints. Meta has long had issues with Apple and the 30 percent cut it takes on some App Store transactions. Apple’s iOS restrictions did harder for Meta to compete in hardware and spent billions of dollars in advertising. Zuckerberg said that if Apple’s “random rules” didn’t apply, Meta would make “double the profit or something” based on its “bust calculation.”

Apple is increasingly under pressure to open up. Is it made changes in the European Union in response to new laws targeting its policies, and is facing a lawsuit from the United States Department of Justice to hold a monopoly on smartphones. But the company seems intent on keeping its ecosystem closed until it is forced to change.

Zuckerberg believes that Apple’s reliance on “just leveraging their own stuff” will ultimately hurt the company. Apple has “been so far off its game in terms of not releasing a lot of innovative things,” he said. He said the tech industry is “super dynamic,” and “if you don’t do a good job for almost 10 years, eventually, you’re just going to get beat by somebody.” (It’s easy to guess who Zuckerberg thinks that might be!)

Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Zuckerberg’s remarks.

Zuckerberg touched on many other tech topics as part of his conversation with Rogan, including AI and how he thinks about screen time with his daughter who plays. Minecraft. One area that spent some time was neural interfaces and how the physical and digital worlds blend.

He thinks that “it will take some time before we have to implement very widely something that goes into your brain”, for example, and (naturally) he talked about the benefits of a neural interface based on the wrist, which Meta is working on . as part of his Orion augmented reality glasses.

In the thread, Zuckerberg imagines a world where you can use the neural interface bracelet and the glasses to text a friend or an AI and the glasses will give you the answer. I also believe that, as smart lenses or even contact lenses as a computing platform become more developed, the internet will be “superseded” on the physical world.

“I think we’re essentially going to be in this wild world where most of the world is going to be physical, but there’s going to be an increasing amount of virtual objects or people that transmit themselves or holograms into different things to interact in different ways,” he said. he said.

“There is no longer a physical world and a digital world,” he added. “We’re in 2025. It’s a world.”